"I believe in respect for the victims body and I dont get that sense of respect with penetration or anything hardcore."We each have our limits and I understand yours. I myself however can enjoy both softcore and hardcore domination videos and movies. I think that just by definition, however, there is no question that if the "the victims freedom being taken away..." , once the girl has no freedom, every act that follows is the same qualitative infraction over her will an physical bodily freedom, whether going hardcore penetration or not. The "respect" has been obliterated. But I understand about limits on what is/should be erotic. I think hardcore can still be erotic. Depriving the victims of their life or bodily parts , for example is not erotic and unappealing , even as a fantasy. The examples you provide are good. There is also Ursula Andrews being I believe washed and painted in Slave of the Cannibal God, her most notable and rare nudity. There are others of course.lesofilos========================== The average (while active) porn star's sexuality defined: "Although youre bisexual, you've said you take relationships with men more seriously. Does this have anything to do with why you dont film girl/boy sex scenes?"Charlie Laine: "Im more emotionally attracted to men and more physically attracted to women. I attach myself to men." on quote. Of course most girls return to hard heterosexuality after porn. Who me? I must have been...
Very interesting, thought provoking initial post. It sounds like you have an affinity for sub/dom scenes much like one of our long time friends around here, Anon in Bama. Which BTW is totally cool. Plus, you found a way to incorporate Bo Derek and Kathy Showers into the same line of discussion.Anyway, hope that you stick around Austro. All too frequently over the years on this forum a new member will post a well thought out and/or creative introductory message and then we subsequently never hear from that person again.
Thanks for the reply!to clarify what you said here:"I think that just by definition, however, there is no question that if the "the victims freedom being taken away..." , once the girl has no freedom, every act that follows is the same qualitative infraction over her will an physical bodily freedom, whether going hardcore penetration or not. The "respect" has been obliterated. "The respect is being given to the body of the victim, not the persona of the victim. The persona is eliminated by either restraint or shear engulfment. Nothing is expected of the victim, she is not a slave, she is just a trophy, a prize that is taken care of and pleasured.
Welcome, and I hear you on your scenario preferences. It's a dicey area, because no matter how you pretty it up it still comes down to rape and coercion. See my post on that here (among other places), and the subsequent discussion.
"Campiness" is probably your best friend for pulling this off without crossing the line. Specifically, the form of it that Bound Heat uses in their "torture" scenes, which is to make the whipping, branding etc. transparently fakey. Except, I'm not exactly sure how you do that for this situation.
Jane Fonda demonstrated another way to do this in the old "Barbarella" movie, playing a character so innocent she didn't know there was supposed to be anything wrong with these strange things people wanted to do with her.
The widely and properly reviled opening scene of "Poor Little Shyla" demonstrated exactly the wrong way to do a scene like this (granted, that one had nothing to do with Shyla getting aroused, but it still illustrates the problem).
That's awesome you like those movies as well!Would you like to join my skype group? Just PM me your skype user if you do, we would love to have you.
Hey, thanks for the reply!I've actually sent you a PM after I saw your thread about the "non-consent" scenes, have you received it yet?Regarding Bound Heat, I've actually known about them for a while, they have a lot of great softcore content but it's also a mixed bag with them. The whipping / Hot Iron branding is not something I'm a fan of, but when they have their forced baths, forced bush shavings, forced strippings it becomes very enjoyable for me.And I also do not like using the term "rape" regarding my tastes, as "rape" would imply unwanted sexual intercourse, where I dislike penetration of any kind, even a finger, I'm a fan of oral, rubbing and groping so "molestation" would be a more accurate term to use.