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Posted 10/19/2005 9:57 AM
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Quote: Hmm. I've seen plenty of lez and straight porn vids (thousands?), and I almost never see what I'm talking about. If you think I must have just missed it, I guess you don’t understand what I have in ...

Look mate, your definetely not alone on this one. It's always the same group of people complaining constantly about too many closeups, too much analingus, only ten minutes of kissing, too much sex and not enough story, etc, etc. To these people: this IS hardcore, you know. If you find closeups of certain parts of the female anatomy so repulsive, perhaps you should stick to softcore fare and stop trying to ruin the hard stuff for everybody else?

I LIKE closeups and analingus, and I watch hardcore for that very reason. What scares me is this noisy minority who are trying to change hardcore lesbian porn to suit there softer tastes, especially when there are plenty of R/NR softcore titles on this very site for them to choose from. Plenty of full-body shots and no closeups of that awful, yucky pink stuff.

But whats even scarier is how some people are listening to their demands and taking action. Heres an excellent example: the Pink Velvet series. The original is still hailed as the ultimate lesbian erotica masterpiece by which all others are measured. And, what's this? The film is chockers with beautiful close-ups and lots of that wonderful analingus stuff. PV3 rolls around two years later and just about all of the close-ups and anal have vanished. Why? Because a small but VERY vocal group of people complained and now the elements I enjoyed in a VT hardcore outing have gone the way of cheap cigarettes and vinyl car seats.

What a shame. Maybe those of us who like a little hardcore in our hardcore movies should sit up next time and be a little louder in our support of the old raunch, instead of sitting back and letting the pro-softcore everything crowd act like they're speaking for everyone? I just hope we're not too late and we act now before everything on this site becomes R/NR.

And Viv, it's not too late. There are plenty of us who yearn for the old days (12 months ago) when Jo couldn't keep her fingers out of naughty places, and the camera wasn't afraid to linger on *gasp* a spread pussy for longer than three seconds. PV3 was a bit too soft. Please bring back the raunch. I beg of you.

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Posted 10/19/2005 1:19 PM


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There's nothing wrong with a raunchy lesbian movie. There's nothing wrong with close ups or analingus , either. The problem is that most directors are too FUCKING stupid , egotistical , or self centered to capture everything within a good balance. That's the problem. A scene can be made long enough to capture the right stuff within the proper time frame but idiotic cameramen are too busy either filming only the genitals , asses , tits , and camera acknowledgement...instead of getting several acts like enough kissing , tribadism , oral , breast licking , ass licking , etc. !!

There's PLENTY of time for everything. I am sure that most here like the explicit g/g sex , as well , but that doesn't mean that we all have to stare at the genitalia for 90% of the movie. It's up to the directors and film makers to get a good balance.

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Posted 10/25/2005 5:32 PM


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I guess there is a place for raunch, but there is definitely a place for lovemaking. For who seek the second, JAV is a must (and even if you can't stand the mosaicing, well, it's still better than anything else in the kissing, caressing, loving department). Just don't cross the two, it won't work.

I do not mind close-ups, if they are done sparingly, and mostly in JAV they are pretty futile anyway because of the mosaic. But that just made the directors focus on other more tender things, and that is why they excel so in these areas. There is raunch in JAV just as well, but those movies can be avoided (or seeked out, whatever you prefer), and rarely do they mix. There are movies where the mix works, but they are rare and far inbetween, more often the tender scenes are standout and the raunchy ones are run of the mill. One thing i always noticed even with raunchy JAV though was that the girls really were into each other.

There is an easy explanation for this. The women are not thrown into the cold water and meet for the first time when they are naked, but they are told to spend some time with each other, chat up, get to know each other, and those few hours are WELL spent. You can notice the same effect in US/Western movies with couplings that repeat (in the Pink Velvet trilogy for example the second and third meetings are much more comfortable than the ones in the first movie...). So instead of having to shoot three scenes to get it right, just give the girls some time to get to know each other. Most of the problems will solve itself (as long as you also give the girls the opportunity to do what they enjoy, within the limits as you set as director of course

Lovemaking can not and should not be scripted. It's spontaneous, it includes goofing around, sometimes it is raw, sometimes it's slow. But only if you let the girls be real will it feel real. The less directing the better.


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Posted 10/31/2005 10:22 PM


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Quote: I guess there is a place for raunch, but there is definitely a place for lovemaking. For who seek the second, JAV is a must (and even if you can't stand the mosaicing, well, it's still better than any...

How about lovemaking AND raunch! Now THERE's the holy grail I'd like to see! (or try to make)

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Posted 11/1/2005 4:31 PM


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bellezza, as i said, it won't work for the movies... it can work in personal life if it's spontenaous and unscripted, but that would mean movie-makers would let the girls do what they want, AND the girls had to be comfortable enough with each other to make it happen.

Well maybe not impossible, but probably less likely than seeing some genuine love-making And that my dear girlfriend is the Holy Grail first, lol... JK


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Posted 11/2/2005 7:48 AM


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Quote: bellezza, as i said, it won't work for the movies... it can work in personal life if it's spontenaous and unscripted, but that would mean movie-makers would let the girls do what they want, AND the gi...

True. If we're (I'm) real lucky, the 'genuine lovemaking' that get's captured would include lots of yummy looking 'raunch'!

Ah, it's sooo important to keep the dream alive

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Posted 11/2/2005 7:53 AM


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Quote: Look mate, your definetely not alone on this one. It's always the same group of people complaining constantly about too many closeups, too much analingus, only ten minutes of kissing, too much sex and...

Lucky Pete - Just curious... Which Viv title would you say comes closest to what you and I (and the silent majority you refer to) are looking for? Or other producers for that matter.

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Posted 11/2/2005 8:55 AM


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Quote: How about lovemaking AND raunch! Now THERE's the holy grail I'd like to see! (or try to make)

Hi Bellezza,

I believe this to be the "untapped" area of lesbian porn. This is what I am looking for and I KNOW that it can be done. All it takes is 1 adventurous and willing producer/director to get some "pro- am/pro " talent like Kaylynn , Kimberly Kane , Melissa Lauren , Naudia Nyce ,Venus, Audrey Hollander, Selena Silver , Hillary Scott , Lauren Phoenix , and many more , using very specific guidelines such as LOTS of intense kissing , trib ,MINIMAL or no toy use, oral , no camera acknow. , good slow moving camera work , etc.

It can be very raunchy and intense ( which is what I like) but it would also show that the girls are into EACHOTHER as REAL lovers , rather than playing to an audience.

These actresses that I mentioned are not shy with other women. They are most probably very comfortable with other women and very likely bisexual for real. Of course , I can't say this for sure... but they really pour it on with women in the scenes that they do.

I am positive that a g/g movie such as this would sell quite well and it may even turn things around because both g/g crowds could get into it.

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Posted 11/2/2005 7:56 PM
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Quote: Lucky Pete - Just curious... Which Viv title would you say comes closest to what you and I (and the silent majority you refer to) are looking for? Or other producers for that matter.

Well, if I were to recommend some excellent VT time wasters, I'd say look no further than anything with Vera in it. Especially the Six Days w/ Vera double. That woman is simply incredible. Her energy and enthusiasm ranks her as one of the greatest lesbian performers of all-time alongside Felecia, Keri Windsor and Tiffany Mynx. With Six Days 1 & 2, Viv did a superb job selecting the partners for Vera with the sole exception of Bambi, who we haven't seen before or since. And he retained all that raunch we know and love. Lots of close-ups of rimming, fingering, trib, more anal-play (alot of that in the Jo scene) and traditional pussy-lapping.

Viv has his regular subs (Jo, Peaches, Gina and Lolita taking over for Ella), and his regular doms (Vera, Sandra, Sophie, Stella and Eve). When he, or any other director for that matter makes the mistake of pairing two subs together, ie Jo & Ella in PV2, we have the equivalent of watching paint dry in terms of excitement. When he does what most directors do and pairs up a dom and a sub, ie Henrietta & Peaches in PV3, we usually end up with quite an entertaining scene as we watch the dom tear into the sub. However, on the few occasions he's paired up two doms, ie Vera & Zora, beware if you have any heart conditions. These are HOT, and the scenes you want to seek out the most:

Six Days with Vera Volume 1: Vera & Sophie, Vera & Sandra
Six Days with Vera Volume 2: Vera & Eve, Vera & Stella
Confessions of the Makeup Artist: Stella & Zora, Vera & Zora

But if your tired of Viv and Vera, I can't really recommend much from the yanks. I've seen far too many scenes ruined from the get-go with excessive amounts of peroxide blondes, balloon tits, guys watching and/or talking camera men, and that bane of every sane lesbian porn fans' existence, toys. I love my raunch, but I detest toys. I dread the seemingly inevitable appearance of them in almost every american scene I've seen. It's gotten to the point where I just hope the scene runs at least five minutes before the plastic comes out. So many beautiful girls wasted by moronic producers without a clue.

But hey, every dark cloud has a silver lining. I heartily recommend the output from the late great Jim Holliday. That man knew his raunch and unlike so many of his peers, he didn't rely on toys all the time to achieve it. The bloke had quite a female-ass fetish so to speak, and great portions of his movies were spent worshipping them in glorious detail. A dead-set legend in my book and already sorely missed. Check out any of the VCA compilations here or that cracker of a movie, First Time Ever, for some of his finest work.

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Posted 11/3/2005 9:48 AM


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Well spotted, raptured, these guys are onto something...recently I watched the angelic looking Minaki Saotome shag the bejimminies out of her lovergirl....Yun Mayuki did the same too!

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