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Posted 10/3/2005 3:47 PM
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If Viv is willing to make a film like this might I make some simple suggestions. Get some fresh new faces that we have not been overexposed to. Lolita from PV3 would be a good choice in my opinion. Team her up with Stella Stevens who still has that "fresh" look...kinda like a California beach girl. The girls should be either lesbian or have strong bisexual leanings. Men and the problems they cause should never be mentioned. And perhaps use a female camera operator and/or producer and writer to get the womanly viewpoint and to come up with a believeable story. I suggest this because Viv's bread and butter is b/g porn and perhaps other viewpoints might result in a better product. Many of the regular actresses have been around Viv long enough to know how things work

Make this movie "a day in the life of...." and feature a couple. Perhaps from when they meet building up to the first time they make love. In the interest of telling a story, bring in some event to put their relationship on rough times, perhaps a third person, or even another couple, and relsove in all with the happy ending and living happily ever after....all kinds of possibilities exist here.   Have the loving and the sex amount to what real people do, but have a lot of variety and what we here like to see and more importantly, what makes the ladies happy.

But I think it would make the majority of the people here happy and boost sales if the analingus and finger insertions were held to a bare minimum. Do the girls that do that now, in the the various films, go wash their mouths out before they kiss their partner?   Or wash their finger off before sticking it in the other girls vagina or mouth    Believe me, a lot of us here consider these practices to be unsanitary and just fast foward through them all. Maybe 10% or less who buy here feel any kind of arousal from this activity. I have no problem with oral and enjoy DATY, so I am not a prissy Mr. Clean. Perhaps the actresses feel some stimulation, but they could at least stifle it for one feature. Just my opinion.

 

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Posted 10/4/2005 9:21 AM
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Hello Everybody,

I took the liberty of posting some of your thoughts over at our Forum under a new topic "A New Idea"-"Should we do it?". Check it out and let me know what you think?

http://forum.vivthomas.com/index.php?showtopic=2130&hl=

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Posted 10/4/2005 12:17 PM


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Jennifer 

Sadly, I think every customer has different ideas regarding the "perfect girl/girl video" (if such a thing exists).  But, having said that, I too share some of the concerns that this woman has expressed in her e-mail to you.  Even Viv Thomas's work (as high-quality as it usually is) isn't perfect, at least not to me.  For example, while I loved Sandy's Holiday Sex Fantasies #1, I was sorely disappointed with Sandy's Holiday Sex Fantasies #2.  They differed greatly in quality, creativity, and overall eroticsm.  At least to me.

Even reading the other forum comments I find comments I heartily disagree with.  As a perfect example, Skywarrior's wife reportedly told him in his above post, "Why don't they just show the girl eating pussy - real close up?  I just wanna see eating pussy."  Is she serious?  Isn't that exactly what ALL of the major XXX producers are already showing, ad nauseum?  I would much rather they produced EROTIC videos with some degree of imagination and creativity in their girl/girl scenes rather than simply adding more extreme-close-up-gynecology-lesson-girl/girl-pussy-eating videos!  The market is already flooded with plenty of those!

Having said that, I'd like to add that that's also one of the things I value most about this forum.  We can express our displeasure or admiration as to what's out there.  I think increasing levels of customer feedback can ONLY be a good thing in the long run. 

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Posted 10/4/2005 5:32 PM


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People will always find something to gripe about.  It's just human nature.

Personally, I think we are living in a golden age of global lesbian erotica.  And it's just getting started.  It's insane how much quality stuff is out there now compared to just a few years ago.  And we have a guy like Viv, who actually talks to his fans, listens to them, shows his appreciation for them, and incorporates their ideas into his films, which just keep getting better and better.

IMO, this particular customer is just not looking hard enough.  Has he/she even checked out JAV???  The "LESTCHA" videos seem right up his alley.  In those, we are introduced to two women--both pretty, but not supermodels by any means--and then spend a whole day with them as they walk together, talk together, laugh together, eat together, steal hugs and kisses, and make sweet, passionate love.  In "Lestcha 4:  Real" one of the women actually cries from happiness almost all the way through a lovemaking scene, as her partner tenderly tries to brush and kiss and pleasure away her tears.  It's achingly beautiful (one of my favorite phrases).

I used to spend hours in bookstores and online looking for quality lesbian erotica, and now, it's an embarassment of riches.  The only thing that holds me back from buying dozens of DVDs is my pocketbook.

While we definitely need to keep demanding quality, originality, and imagination (it's too easy for producers/directors to become complacent and formulaic ... look what's happened to Bailey at SapphicErotica), we should also be thankful for all the choices now available to us.  To say that there is "nothing" good out there is nonsense.


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Posted 10/4/2005 6:54 PM


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If ersonName>ViversonName> Thomas says he will do it then you can be assured to take his word for it.


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Posted 10/6/2005 8:00 PM


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For the record, the key thing for me would be if a good looking young out-of-the-closet lesbian decided to make a long career in this business, and the film-makers just trusted in her, I for one would follow her all the way.

Even if she wasn't, in the beginning, the most naturally gifted lover, I'm sure she'd learn by herself. When people stop seeing this scene as some sort of off-broadway movie business, and start seeing it as a scene that exists primarily to celebrate lesbianism, the happier I'll be.

Cheers

 

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Posted 10/6/2005 11:51 PM


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Quote: Jennifer Sadly, I think every customer has different ideas regarding the " perfect girl/girl video " (if such a thing exists). But, having said that, I too share some of the concerns that this wo...

"Isn't that exactly what ALL of the major XXX producers are already showing, ad nauseum? I would much rather they produced EROTIC videos with some degree of imagination and creativity in their girl/girl scenes rather than simply adding more extreme-close-up-gynecology-lesson-girl/girl-pussy-eating videos! The market is already flooded with plenty of those!"

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Are you KIDDING? Where are they? I'm talking about really intimate, super sensual and close 'gyno-lesson' pussy eating. Name ONE! (Or several if you can, because I'd like to see them!) I've looked for this forever with almost no success. I've always been rather amazed that truly intimate, detailed, pussy pleasuring would be an obvious subject of visual erotica. Instead, I've found it to be virtually non-existent. In the 'straight' world, the ratio of long, macroscopically filmed blow-jobs to pussy eating is like 5 to 1 It’s as if porn producers – straight and lesbian – are afraid of pussy or think it’s unattractive. I don’t get it and never will. I’ve seen PV 2&3, Girlfriend Films, Brazilian Amateurs, etc, and none of them truly deliver in this particular department. There is some solo stuff that could serve as gyno training films, but what about actual lovemaking captured in this way? Who's making that? I pretty much know I’m in the minority here, but I’ve gotta speak my truth.

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Posted 10/7/2005 9:35 AM


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"Are you KIDDING? Where are they? I'm talking about really intimate, super sensual and close 'gyno-lesson' pussy eating."

I think it's hard to show intimacy in images of close-up, "gyno-lesson"-type cunnilingus scenes. There's always the total contrivance of the person's head carefully blocking for the camera. It rarely looks like real lovemaking when someone's head is artifically posed to the side, or there's a CONSTANT fussing or arranging with the long hair so it doesn''t obscure the face during a tight shot of the tongue on the vulva. I actually prefer scenes where the models don't seem to care about the camera & just get right in there during oral sex. Still like to see the pink however but that can be shown before or after cunnilingus. A good, effective scene in the "close-up" catagory of lesbian oral sex was Sandy doing Lisa in PV3. Nicely shot from the side with Sandy's hair held back behind her ears, we got a clear, up close view of her rather thrilling technique that drives the ladies nuts, and it was intimate & seemed like real lovemaking.

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bellezza

The big XXX-producers of lesbian porn are all about showing tight-shots of orifices.  They love the super-close-ups of female genitalia.  You've never noticed this?  That's one of the reasons why I hardly ever buy videos from them anymore.  I do not find them "super-sensual" at all.

 

Warm Receiver

I agree.  Those super-tight, extreme-close-ups ruin intimacy in girl/girl scenes.  I find them to be mechanical, overdone, and completely lacking in overall eroticism.  I can't believe bellezza hasn't noticed that they are already out there in abundance.   

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Posted 10/7/2005 12:00 PM


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Hmm. I've seen plenty of lez and straight porn vids (thousands?), and I almost never see what I'm talking about. If you think I must have just missed it, I guess you don’t understand what I have in mind. I understand the points made there, and wouldn't want to see video with no kissing/wide shots/eye-contact, etc., but to say that close-up cunnilingus shots ruin intimacy doesn’t make a lick of sense in my view. (pun intended) Such shots, done well, are INHERENTLY intimate. Producers (and performers) are just lazy in figuring out how to do it without it looking contrived (constantly brushing back hair, going in awkwardly from the side, etc.) In my experience, the combo of tongue and fingers make for a very happy vagina. For me, giving in this way is almost more fun than receiving. I LIKE being down there, and it only makes sense that I’d also want the camera to be down there as well. You’re right about Sandy. She has a gift. But for the most part, you never see well-lensed, close pussy eating, with fingers adding to the party, that seems intent on giving pleasure as opposed to performing for the camera. It’s amazing to me that those here who say they like such intimate camera work are so opposed. It’s oral sex, for cryin out lout. Not a strap-on blow job.
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