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Posted 6/3/2017 6:36 AM
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Quote: humble opinion wrote: " Anon, I suspect that your last comment "WIP videos are NOT for everybody" is pretty much an understatement. " And what of it, humble?You might just as well write something alo...

Anon, we disagree on virtually everything, so there really is no need to distort my opinions on those few areas where I might agree with your tastes somewhat. I never said anything approaching your characterization of my views: "nobody really enjoys watching pretty girls behind bars dealing with rapacious lesbian guards and/or inmates". Had i said anything like that, it would be directly contradicting my comments on this very thread, where I mentioned liking parts of Triangle films' "River Rock Women's Prison".

I have also watched several of the Jesse Franco soft core WIP movies from the distant past--some were decent, some were meh. There were also several actresses who flitted around the WIP genre who were personal favorites of mine--Sybil Danning and Julie Strain come to mind. When their names appeared above the title of a soft core movie--whatever the genre--I made an effort to watch that movie.

So, for you and Aristide, to suggest that I have no "business" in this WIP discussion, either because I never watched those movies or I automatically hated them, I would say that you are wrong on both counts. I did watch several of the soft core WIP movies back in the 1970s/80s/90s. That I freely admit that I did not watch as many as you guys apparently did, or that I did not love those WIP movies as much as you guys apparently did, is NOT the same thing as saying that I hated them, or that I have no appreciation for their appeal.


I am always disturbed by you and Aristide (and others in other areas of girl/girl) whose "likes" are so shrunken that you can only appreciate a narrow range of movies. What makes that shrunken taste worse is when you guys attack other styles of girl/girl as being "unerotic", "boring", or "XXX garbage".

Blaming the porn industry, (or particular directors, for not having any talent or imagination), because they are not catering to YOUR narrowly focused, or "out of date" tastes is frankly ridiculous, Rather you ought to be looking in the mirror and admitting to yourself that your being unhappy is due to YOU, not the industry.

I would say to you, Anon and Aristide, (and several other folks on the forum) to try loosening up those tightly wound tastes of yours, and sitting back to watch and enjoy what IS out there, and stop complaining about what is not. It may not be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than "awful" or "trash". As the saying goes: "Perfection is the enemy of the good". (Who knows, if you loosen yourself up, you might actually find out that there are movies and scenes out there that are a lot closer to "perfect" than you originally thought--even though it is not in your cherished genre or style)

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Posted 6/3/2017 7:36 AM


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Sylvester wrote: "There's a reason why you "fellas" are bitching about not finding a "good" WIP pic."

Women-in-prison films & videos are a specialized genre, Sylvester - clearly not for everybody. I could say the same thing about all of those incest-themed "mommy/daughter" videos, including that incredibly-stupid "Mother-Daughter Exchange Club" idea that has already generated 47-editions at GFF! It would seem that we all appreciate different things!

humble opinion wrote: "So, for you and Aristide, to suggest that I have no "business" in this WIP discussion, either because I never watched those movies or I automatically hated them, I would say that you are wrong on both counts."

I never said you had "no business" on this thread, humble - only that to denounce non-consensual lesbian-sex on a thread devoted to the "women-in-prison" genre seems a bit pointless to me, as the very nature of WIP encounters must, by its very definition, involve dominant lezzies in pursuit of beautiful-young-submissive-(and NOT necessarily-lesbian) girls!

"What makes that shrunken taste worse is when you guys attack other styles of girl/girl as being "unerotic", "boring", or "XXX garbage"."

I have been an aficionado of lesbian-erotica for several DECADES now, humble, and I don't use those derogatory terms without good reason. For example, in early PENTHOUSE magazine g/g pictorials (e.g. still-pic photo-spreads), I dearly loved those with a "storyline" of sorts - but when they simply began publishing photo-spreads showing a girl with her tongue protruding into another girl's legs-spread-wide-open-vagina, I quickly lost interest. That was no longer erotica - it was porn! The exact same thing happened in girl/girl scenes on video! Instead of seductive-intros, directors began inserting g/g scenes with no set-ups whatsoever. It was mindless XXX-garbage-porn!

"Rather you ought to be looking in the mirror and admitting to yourself that your being unhappy is due to YOU, not the industry."

Yes, humble, you're right - and for many years I had no choice but to grin-&-bear-it - until forums like THIS one came along, and I could finally vent my frustrations! And, predictably, while there are many here who SHARE my assertions - there are also aficionados such as yourself who seemingly view all lesbian-themed videos as sacrosanct, and which must be defended & protected at all cost!

"It may not be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than "awful" or "trash"."

Agreed. When a video (or even a part of a video) is good, we need to POINT THAT OUT - but if we see something that is slipshod, stupid, or completely UN-EROTOC, we do this industry no favors by sweeping it under a rug and refusing to be critical!

- Lesbian erotica is something that we all love - and to continue encouraging the writers, directors, & producers, we owe them our honesty, and not just our empty applause!
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Posted 6/7/2017 5:00 AM
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Quote: The Bear has it down exactly. The Warden needs to put down her whips and chains and put on a light shade of lipstick , a tight black skirt white sleeveless blouse heels that come off hair pulled back ...

Maggie would have been perfect! I can already see her dressed as you described standing stern and dominant in front of a nervous 19 year old new inmate. She would make a proposal. Life in prison is extremely tough but it can be a lot less so if you are prepared to provide quid pro quo. Maggie can provide protection from other inmates, better cell mate, better food and much better treatment In return the inmate will be required to agree to be escorted up to Maggies quarters every evening where she will put on the clothes provided, will agree to everything asked of her, with Maggie or with anyone else Maggie wants. Maggie would have an "inner circle" of some senior female wardens and perhaps another older lady who is on the parole board who all would enjoy the delights on offer. There is no need for bondage and physical force just putting forward a proposal and it being willingly accepted. I would pay plenty to see this done properly! I have attached a couple of pictures of Maggie showing her dominant side!

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Posted 6/7/2017 7:52 AM


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thebear wrote: "Maggie would have been perfect! I can already see her dressed as you described standing stern and dominant in front of a nervous 19 year old new inmate."

Sylvester wrote: "The Bear has it down exactly."

Magdalene St. Michaels is one of my FAVORITE actresses to cast in the older, more-dominant/predatory role - she'd be PERFECT cast as the lesbian warden in charge of running a women's prison - so WHY is it we never see her playing that particular role?

thebear continues: "She would make a proposal. Life in prison is extremely tough but it can be a lot less so if you are prepared to provide quid pro quo. Maggie can provide protection from other inmates, better cell mate, better food and much better treatment In return the inmate will be required to agree to be escorted up to Maggies quarters every evening where she will put on the clothes provided, will agree to everything asked of her, with Maggie or with anyone else Maggie wants."

How is it that thebear CLEARLY understands what constitutes a hot women-in-prison relationship between the lezzie-warden (e.g. Magdalene St. Michaels) and a beautiful, newly-incarcerated, & frightened 19-year old female inmate seeking protection - and yet the folks running a major g/g studio (e.g. Sweetheart Video) are unable to grasp this simple concept? What you have described, thebear, is an EXCELLENT and highly-erotic WIP scenario!

"Maggie would have an "inner circle" of some senior female wardens and perhaps another older lady who is on the parole board who all would enjoy the delights on offer. There is no need for bondage and physical force just putting forward a proposal and it being willingly accepted. I would pay plenty to see this done properly! I have attached a couple of pictures of Maggie showing her dominant side!"

Maybe instead of directing the next "Prison Lesbians" DVD, Dana Vespoli can instead be cast to play one of the tough, butchy lesbian-guards working for prison-warden St. Michaels in your above script, thebear! There's enough material there for an ENTIRE VIDEO - assuming they put some effort into it!

A lesbian warden creating her own private "harem" of pretty girls she's protecting in exchange for their surrendering their beautiful bodies to her (and to her circle of decadent female friends) for their pleasure & enjoyment is an AWESOME idea!

- All we need now is some g/g production house to take this scenario and run-with-it - I can readily assure you that I'll be first in line to purchase a copy!
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Quote: Maggie would have been perfect! I can already see her dressed as you described standing stern and dominant in front of a nervous 19 year old new inmate. She would make a proposal. Life in prison is ex...

Yes! The Bear gets it.

That reminds me of this scene, as described on the lez taboo thread:

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Allie Haze & Magdalene St. Michaels

GFF doesn't hold back on the non-consent/reluctance themes in this one. Allie has underwhelmed scary big-boss Maggie in a college admissions interview, and the woman who is her sponsor requests a few minutes to regroup. The pair retire to a bedroom where the sponsor all but says “You have to suck it up, and fuck Maggie to get in.”

 

The sponsor leaves, and a few minutes later big, intimidating Maggie enters. Allie is freaked out and plays the non-consent role very well. Eventually she is “betrayed by her traitor body,” of course, and performs well when her exploiter demands return service (beginning with pushing an erect nipple into the young woman's mouth).

 

I just realized this one came out before I got in the habit of buying DVDs that have a single classic scene eligible for the Lez taboo, reluctance and non-consent thread (or for this thread if such a scene ever appears in an explicit high quality g/g porn WIP film).


ETA: I must re-rent and review this scene. Any time a scene stands out in my mind like that it's worth a second look.

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Posted 6/8/2017 6:40 AM
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Quote: thebear wrote: " Maggie would have been perfect! I can already see her dressed as you described standing stern and dominant in front of a nervous 19 year old new inmate. " Sylvester wrote: " The Bea...

I am glad you like the idea Anon! It would lend itself to all kinds of scenarios. One of the Wardens inner circle could be the female district attorney She is the one who secured the convictions to get the girls into the web and then comes to visit the prison to enjoy the fruits of her hard work! I think India Summer would be great in that role. She looks absolutely wonderful dressed as a professional attorney and can play the stern bitch superbly. I can easily imagine our little select group of ladies meeting for drinks at Maggies offices at the prison waiting for the little "harem" to be sent up for the evening. They are presented with sexy clothing they are required to wear and then the entertainment begins!

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Quote: Yes! The Bear gets it. That reminds me of this scene, as described on the lez taboo thread: Field of Schemes 8: Allie Haze & Magdalene St. Michaels
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thebear wrote: "I am glad you like the idea Anon! It would lend itself to all kinds of scenarios. One of the Wardens inner circle could be the female district attorney - she is the one who secured the convictions to get the girls into the web and then comes to visit the prison to enjoy the fruits of her hard work! I think India Summer would be great in that role. She looks absolutely wonderful dressed as a professional attorney and can play the stern bitch superbly. I can easily imagine our little select group of ladies meeting for drinks at Maggies offices at the prison waiting for the little "harem" to be sent up for the evening. They are presented with sexy clothing they are required to wear and then the entertainment begins!"

That's all AWESOME, thebear! Magdalene St. Michaels playing the warden of our women's correctional facility is golden - and India Summer cast as the D.A. with whom the warden enjoys a special relationship, sharing her girls at those special "parties" she hosts every month, inviting only other influential, decadent, & powerful lesbian women - with those pretty girls specially chosen to make-up her prison "harem" providing the evening's entertainment!

I remember one of those R-rated WIP films from the 1970's or 80's - I can't remember its title - only that the lesbian warden had a special-program she'd designed to "rehabilitate" those young women who hadn't yet been corrupted by the prison-system - basically, the warden selected only the prettiest young female inmates (all with gorgeous bodies), allowing them to reside in a more protected & comfortable dormitory close to her office and far from the rest of the prison-population. And instead of wearing dreary orange prison attire (as seen in realistic shows like "Orange is the New Black"), these young women all were all uniformed in short shorts & skimpy tank-tops! The film didn't have a whole lot in the way of explicit lesbian sex - but then again, NONE of those old R-rated WIP films had great lezzie-scenes!

I keep waiting for one of our so-called "quality" lesbian-video production studios (e.g. Girlsway, Sweetheart Video, or even Girlfriends Films) to grasp something along these lines in their WIP-themed productions - but thus far, nothing.

- To create a really erotic women-in-prison video, the initial requirement is a talented, imaginative director & writer - and some EFFORT!
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Quote: thebear wrote: " I am glad you like the idea Anon! It would lend itself to all kinds of scenarios. One of the Wardens inner circle could be the female district attorney - she is the one who secured t...

There were quite a few WIP films made in the 1970's that always looked like they would be amazing but always ended up failing. There was a producer/director called Jesus Franco who made many sexploitation movies including several WIP movies. There were always lesbian elements but always were more focused on the shackles, chains and whips than on sex. Some of them had real potential but then failed to follow through. One example was a movie called The Women of Cell Block 9. It was set in a South American prison. The warden was male but his wife is lesbian and really looked the stern dominant type. There is a scene where the warden and his wife are having dinner and a guard brings a pretty young and naked inmate into the dining room. The wife has the girl kneel before her and then hikes her skirt up and spreads her legs indicating what is required from the girl. It is a really hot set up but it does not last long and the scene is over. I was hopeful that the wife would carry on in the same vein but from there she is only interested in the sadistiv whips and chains side. Yet again a big disappointment. I have attached a few stills from the scene.



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thebear wrote: "There were quite a few WIP films made in the 1970's that always looked like they would be amazing but always ended up failing."

That is all very true, thebear. Erotic WIP films were an entirely new genre back then, and nobody was absolutely certain how they were supposed to go about it. The one or two girls-behind-bars films from the 1950's were entirely PUNISHMENT-oriented, with zero-effort at including predatory-lezzies. The idea of "sex in prison" didn't begin until the seventies, and even then a number of CLUELESS directors cast way too many MALE guards & a male warden, believing that showing girls with other girls was somehow taboo.

"There was a producer/director called Jesus Franco who made many sexploitation movies including several WIP movies. There were always lesbian elements but always were more focused on the shackles, chains and whips than on sex. Some of them had real potential but then failed to follow through."

Jesus Franco had some good ideas - he just wasn't sure how to go about it. Once again, focusing primarily on angry-punishment-scenes was NOT the way to go, but back in those days they were moving ahead blindly - and the concept of "sexploitation" films was still in its infancy.

"One example was a movie called The Women of Cell Block 9. It was set in a South American prison. The warden was male but his wife is lesbian and really looked the stern dominant type. There is a scene where the warden and his wife are having dinner and a guard brings a pretty young and naked inmate into the dining room. The wife has the girl kneel before her and then hikes her skirt up and spreads her legs indicating what is required from the girl. It is a really hot set up but it does not last long and the scene is over. I was hopeful that the wife would carry on in the same vein but from there she is only interested in the sadistiv whips and chains side. Yet again a big disappointment. I have attached a few stills from the scene."

Thanks for posting those pics, thebear - I don't believe I ever watched that film, but those pics look HOT!

I like the older, butchy-look of the warden's wife - and ALSO how the pretty-young-female-inmate is brought into the room "completely nude" for their viewing pleasure! On the negative side, including a guy (the warden) watching the whole thing was needlessly-porny - still, the idea that a dominant lesbian-woman could be left alone to play with the body of a beautiful & submissive nude girl was obviously ahead-of-its-time.

But before we get too critical, that same scene shot today might not include a male warden, but our modern writers & directors would & could STILL screw it up! They'd no doubt imply that the girl and the older woman were both already lesbians - and already in a relationship - with the younger girl simply showing up to engage the older woman in their weekly Tuesday-after-dinner lezzie-sex. Seriously, that's exactly how some directors would set that one up today!

- It seems like, for every two steps forward, we've taken one step back - some people should NOT be directing or writing WIP films!
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